Friday, May 10, 2024

Filthie’s Reloading Bench: Lightweights, And A Review

 So I’ve had this little Ruger American mouse gun in .223 for three or four months now, maybe 600 rounds down the pipe so far. I haven’t had a gun that is this much fun in ages either. Before I bought it I did some research on it to see what other owners thought. Opinions were generally good, and a few… not so much. They’re all over the place, really.


I have basically the same gun Fattie does, but mine is a 16” carbine.
This guy has an issue with the individual gun; the action works just fine for most of us.
I wouldn’t sit through all that if I were you.

 That’s not even a review in my opinion. If I bought a new gun and it behaved like that, I’d take it back to the seller and demand a replacement rifle or warranty repairs. I am no expert…but there are certain tells here that lead me to believe this guy isn’t either. OyToob is full of wannabees that want to pose as experts and authorities and you need to take them with some very large grains of salt. I have seen bad reloads cause problems similar to that too.

Here is a better review:


This is the version of the rifle I have.
This fella knows what he’s doing too. He bags up properly to shoot off the bench,
at least. But…I wonder if he’s not a keyboard sniper?
Not saying he is… but every gun he shoots is a ringer. And he’s doing pretty good for
having a cheap compact 6X scope… 

The Aussie’s review is much better in my opinion. He’s shooting factory ammo, only at 100 yards, and presumably no wind. I’ve seen his other reviews and the majority of them go much like this. So much so that it gets suspicious. Who knows? Maybe he’s legit? He’s younger than I am, brighter eyes, steadier nerves… but listening to him, all ya gotta do is slap a cheap scope on it, load up with Hornady 55 gr. VMAXs and you’ll be shooting like a sniper too.

Everyone bitches about the bolt on this gun. Yeah, right out of the box…it’s rough. Not like the one Fattie was struggling with, but it made a funny “zipping” noise and was a bit balky as it ran. All I did was carefully unload and clear the rifle…and just repeatedly cycle the bolt with an empty gun while watching TV. A couple 20 minute sessions over the week had it smoothed up and running fine. On the range you have to run the bolt with firmness and intent and you’ll have no problems. I can shoot mine as the gun gods intended: I don’t even take my cheek off the stock when shooting and running the bolt to reload. Some guys bitch about the stock…it flexes a bit. That *might* be a big deal for the upper echelon competition competitors…but they won’t compete with rifles like this anyways. For guys like Fattie, Aussie and Yours Truly…the stock will do just fine. Ergonomics and handling are spectacular. The only bitch I have is the partially obstructed mag dump button. Again, it’s a minor nitpick. I saw a guy fix that with a Dremel and I could too if it really bothered me… but it doesn’t. I dunno why they didn’t address that at the factory though…? Bah! Minor distractions and nit pickery!

Accuracy.
This gun can shoot. I dunno about factory ammo, all I shoot are reloads. Unfortunately I shoot in the real world and have to put up with wind, sometimes rain. As I said earlier, I’m older, with old eyes and old reflexes. I can’t shoot like I did as a kid…but I’m not terrible either. Here are the results I got with preliminary experiments with 55 grain VMAX bullets, with slowly increasing charges of CFE223 powder. Brass was Nosler match, primers were CCI. Range was shot at 200m with gusting winds. (This is why I would like to see Aussie repeat his tests a couple times). My rifle wears a Swarovski 3x9 scope.


55 grain Nosler VMAX, sitting on 24.7grains CFE223.
Sorry, technical issues with the chron, no
velocity data for this string. 
approx. 2.8 MOA



55 grain Nosler VMAX, sitting on 26.1 grains CFE223.
Average velocity was 2660 FPS, with a standard deviation of 52.
approx 2.6 MOA


55 grain Nosler VMAX, sitting on 26.9 grains CFE223.
Average velocity 2769 FPS with a standard deviation of 32.
approx. 1.2 MOA

The wind was so bad I’d hardly call this a good test…but it shows some interesting trends. Next time I’m going start at maybe 25.7 grains, and then go up in .2 grain increments and go up until I get pressure signs or run out of case capacity. Brass for this test was fine with no pressure signs at all. I’m thinking we might bump up velocities and accuracy with a little more tweaking. Itkd be nice because the VMAX is a lower cost bullet that’d be great for plinking and practice. My gun is spun for 1:8”… which is optimal for heavier bullets. Can it be reloaded with lightweight bullets and made to shoot accurately? Maybe! We’re gonna find out!

My thoughts on the rifle are very, very positive. It’s designed as a budget truck carbine and it fills that role magnificently. She’s ugly to look at but she’s loveable just the same. The goofy mag button issue is a minor, and easily fixed nit pick. 


Look it that goofy thing. Hey, Ruger? Would it have killed ya
to do the job right?

Hrrrmmm. The more I look at it, the more it ticks me off!
I may just fix that after all.

Yes, the gun shoots well enough to put a Swarovski scope on it. I put the bipod on for a quick way of getting a tad more weight out front. I haven’t used it yet because it induces a bloody cant on the gun which drives me bonkers. I also hate Harris bipods. The weight/balance issue is totally personal, I just seem to shoot better from the positions with a little more weight out front. I may have to do some research on bipods and delve into that later. It may be the little gun is worth putting a good bipod on too…

This thing for me has been a winner right out of the box. It isn’t cheap as Fattie in the first review says. It’s inexpensive - the value to cost ratio is incredible. It isn’t a sniper as the Aussie hints at… it’s a cracking good service/scout rifle that’ll shoot head to head with rifles costing two or three times as much. Everyone can use and appreciate one of these.

Cheers!

Filthie



16 comments:

  1. Back seat coaching - the vertical dispersion looks good. I can really see the wind in most of the groups. The last one looks like the wind died down, and you're getting a more accurate (heh) picture of what you and the rifle can do.

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    1. Agreed. I dunno what to do with wind…I just keep shooting, aim for the centre and I get what I get. Eventually I’ll get a good day and then I’ll have some semblance of a story…

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  2. Shooting at 200m ??? What's that in FREEDOM units? American standard?

    But, nice rifle. Being a Lefty, most bolt guns are a losing proposition. I can't see paying more than a few hundred for something I can't shoot right. Levers and semi-autos are the ticket, unless I happen across a used pump action one day.

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    1. In Yank Units Of Freedom:

      200m (Fwench Units Of Faggotry) = 220 yards approx.

      If you are looking at a new rifle this beast might be right up your alley:

      https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2021/01/05/savage-impulse/

      The bolt is ambidextrous. Flapz is a southpaw and just bought one…

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  3. Same issue here Don, which is why I didn’t buy a Howa 1500 - saved a bit longer & got a Tikka T3x lite with the bolt on the correct (left) side. Now they have released southpaw Ruger ranch rifles in Australia, so considering one myself if available in stainless, 223.

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    1. Just curious, A: why would you buy the Ruger if you have the Tikka?

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    2. Because I cannot afford two Tikkas !

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  4. What Swarovski glass is that Glen ? Z3 or Z5 ? I notice a lot of Z3 owners sell their scope and upgrade to the Z5. What are your thoughts?

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    1. I’d have to take a look, A. The way I work is that I go down to the store, and then I go outside with the gun clerk and a handful of scopes. I think I bought that scope 10 or 12 years ago… I went to Trijicon and may stick with them…but I’d also look seriously at Nightforce these days too…

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    2. The current range of NF scopes only have 3” of eye relief. Beautiful, quality gear but the eye relief is too small in anything other than a light recoiling rifle (in my opinion).

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  5. Speaking of reloading - Glen what do you think of the 44 mag & 357 mag out of rifles for deer at short ranges (under 150 yards) ?? I am eyeing the Ruger 77/44 stainless & Ruger 77/357 stainless at my local death dealers. Not familiar with how pistol cartridges perform out of rifle barrels, but imagine they’d have a significant performance boost. I’m considering starting pistol shooting (targets only) and it might simplify calibres and reloading if the 44 or 357 were ok for deer from a rifle.

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    1. Not Filthie however, I would be very comfortable using a 357 out of a 16 or 18 inch barrel at 100 yards.

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    2. Agreed. I’ve never hunted with pistol cartridges but fro what I’ve read from the more reputable gun sluts is that you keep your shots close and use a good bullet. I’d stoke the hell out of it on the reloading press too. Rugers are built like tanks and should take a modest diet of hot loads for hunting…and it’d be an absolute hoot at the range with reduced cast lead loads for practice…

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    3. When you pull the trigger on a .357, especially at night, there's one hell of a muzzle flash. That's the unburnt powder igniting AFTER the bullet has already left the barrel. In other words, powder that did nothing for you. In a rifle barrel, that powder has that much more time to push the bullet faster. You'll get a 400 to 500 fps velocity increase, depending on the load. I've heard people compare the .44 mag out of a rifle to a 30-30 in terms of power and effectiveness. I would have no problem using either, assuming the range is right and I can hit what I shoot at.

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  6. Good report, Glen. Nice to see an *inexpensive* rig do well. I had a choice between that Ruger and a Savage Axis. The Savage won due to the immediate availability (out of Rugers, and 1 Savage in the rack) and a bit better cost (cheap bastage that I am😜). Never had cause to second guess meself with either (1 in 223 & 1 in 308). Haven't had the chance to quite dial either of 'em in yet with factory stuff, but preliminary usage is good. I'd like to get the round count up a bit more to get 'em both broke in good. Gotta work up some decent handloads for both, though. Mikee shall endeavor to persevere! (🥂🥃afterwards!). BTW, nice bench ya got there, Glen. Keep on keepin' on.

    Y'all take care & stay livin,
    Mike in FLA.

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  7. Yeah, as in everything else, you get what you pay for unless theft is involved. It's a relatively inexpensive rifle built to a price point (and no further) so relatively inexpensive parts and zero time expended smoothing the action are to be expected. It's interesting to me those little guns shoot as well as they do! It is the Indian, not the arrow that counts. Anyone wanting the gun to shoot better probably needs to work harder at becoming a better Indian....

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