I remember 100 years ago the coolest of the cool kids were all crapping on the AR15/M16/M4 and bitching about the 5.56 NATO. The farting, queefing and belching coming out of that particular circus tent left me questioning everyone’s sanity including my own. At length I just shrugged. I’m not a squaddie but if this thing can kill a deer, it can kill a man. Ammo is as accurate as ya want to make it, brass is cheap and plentiful and good bullets can be found anywhere. I ignored the cool kids and I think as a group they were shocked when pretty much everyone else did too. For this gun club stubfart, the AR15 is tops.
Likewise - when this new 6.8 round came out, I shrugged. There’s no free lunch in this world, everything is a trade off and the stuff coming over the back channels was that those trade-offs were right where you would expect to find them - despite official sources to the contrary. They were not the trade offs I woulda made, and some were so bad I suspected the involvement of guys with funny hats and big noses in the procurement process. Either them, or their hare lipped retards…?
I’m not a squaddie, or a tactical authority like the cool kids in the circus tent… but I’m gonna take a hard pass on this beast and stick with the AR15/5.56. I have no interest in this new gun at all. I don’t think you can fix these things.
the 5.56 will work if you do your part. I have a few of them. I KNOW they work. then too I also have a AR-10 in 308/7.62 if I have to really reach out. as far as this "new rifle" goes. no thanks
ReplyDeletehard pass. ammo costs too much for one thing. and it doesn't work any better than 7.62 as far as I can see. as it can and does ring steel at 600 yards, there not much more than that I ever need. I hope.
From what i have read, the full power loads are not reloadable as the pressure generated pushes the case beyond the elastic zone into the plastic deformation zone. That means a once fired cae will no longer take full pressure and that means case ruptures is a very real possibility on a second firing. It also means the safety margin is a lot smaller than normal cases. A batch with a oops in the metallurgy or someone cheats in the heat treat and a lot of people will have bad days.
ReplyDeleteA few years ago a big European flange maker was only doing the heat treat on 5% of production but marking 100% as being done and with paperwork to prove it. People got hurt when the flanges were not doing what they should have. No one went to prison over it, industry ate the cost because the company was owned by a government. They did it to save electricity.
A gun i can't reload is something i will pass on, but thats a decision each shooter has to make.
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You and anony at 2:20pm, pretty much covered it.
ReplyDeleteThere's already been plenty of development on 6.5 mm cartridges for an M4 or M25 sized system that give increased performance. Even the 1893, 6.5x55 Swede delivers great performance with mild recoil. The Creedmore is maybe a 100/200 fps faster, doesn't make much difference out to 600 yards. I think with higher velocities, you'll get into the recoil issues again.
58kPSI? That's going to make a nasty muzzle blast. It'll be miserable to shoot.
ReplyDeleteI believe that's why they are also including a silencer. Which makes it more expensive, heavier, longer, and fouls faster. But it at least makes the muzzle blast more endurable.
DeleteA cheap AR15 clone will usually shoot 2MOA out of the box. It takes some special military contractor math to call a 4MOA gun "accurate".
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting that they wouldn't let Cappy shoot at steel armor plate. You know, the kind the Russians and Chinese use.
What do they mean, the armor penetrating bullet is still under development? The Army specifically created the bullet first, then ordered the initial competition to develop a rifle and cartridge to fire it!
Yup. In my experience a chit house tier one rifle with a 20” pipe will easily go 1.5 MOA.
DeleteThis thing just stinks to hell. No chronograph for the “test” and review…? Cranking up the pressure “for long range performance? And striking against light armour? While cutting the barrel back to - what was it? 13”…?!?!
Sheeeeeeeeit. Somebody needs their ass kicked over this.
So, historically despotic regimes have tried to prevent their subjects from owning the same weapons as the soldiers, i.e. the soldiers would always be better armed and have an advantage.
ReplyDeleteAlso historically, Americans have taken great pride in being able to own the same firearms as the common GI soldier, albeit without the giggle switch. One could even propose that the typical AR build by the enthusiast is better than the govt issue by a significant margin. Most middle class Americans can outfit themselves to GI specs within a modest budget.
Finally, the US govt is now issuing an experimental (read expensive) rifle firing an experimental (read more expensive) ammo. Even if it is allowed for sale to civilians, it will likely be out of reach for most people's budget. Hmmm. Might want to refresh my supply of tinfoil hats.
I don't know that there are any small hat influences here, mostly just the normal levels of graft, corruption, and general incompetence that always accompanies big govt bullshit. But there is some gray area involved that can lead to many conspiracy theories in a hurry.
Oh I’m sure any jewish involveMINT is just PURELY coincidental, Don! Heaven forbid anyone think I’m bein*vantisemitic!!! 😂👍
DeleteI don’t think this thing is any better than the AR - you can’t kill them any deader with more horsepower. I strongly suspect the accuracy statements on these things came out of somebody’s arse…