I had one of these retard reticles in a kind of red dot scope thing somebody gave me for a 7.5” .223 chopper and couldn’t figure it out. Apparently all the cool kids were running them … and I just thought it was gay. You put something like that in a submarine’s periscope, not on a rifle! Put a red dot in it and call it done! GAH!
Similar to the Soviet Dragonov scope. I could be wrong, but I think it's 6 feet or 2 meters bottom to top to range. No idea what the horizontal scale is..
ReplyDeleteI like the old German #1 post and crosshair for where I hunt in The U.P. of Michigan. Can't find a new scope with it to save my ass.
ReplyDeleteyeah. had a old Weaver scope with that. made in El Paso
Deletea long time ago. and used it on my deer rifle in the woods of pa.
Top to bottom is 2 meters or six feet, horizontal is for wind but I don't remember what the scale is either.
ReplyDeleteThat’s right, T… it has to be. So…if your target fits between the lines ar 2… you shoot him for 200. If he fits between them at 4, he’s at roughly 400 and so on. I can’t think of anything else it could be…
DeleteMy thought, upon seeing those, is how do they determine bullet drop without knowing the rifle, barrel length and specific load used? I guess they standardize on something, but what? I don't really hunt anymore and have never taken a shot over 200 yds, so by and large irrelevant to me. Zero it at a hundred, Hold an inch low at 50, hold a few inches high at 200 and let God guide the bullet home.
ReplyDeleteIt’s the fuggin Marines that started this crap, Don. They know their guns and ammo so well that they can get away stuff like this. They did the science and maff and as near as I can tell…they did it well. They all run M4 carbines because that is the optimal barrel length for the standard 223 ball they run. They battle zero their guns at something like 36m which puts them dead on at 200…which is where most of their firefights are under. They have other calibres for longer ranges and they are standardized the same way.
DeleteI’m like the guys. I zero at 200 and my experience is that you don’t want to push the 223 any further than that with larger animals.
Stadiametric ranging, looks similar to the PSO1....man heights are based on 1.7m, so fudge it a bit longer if your target is not a short lil' fusser.
ReplyDeleteAlways had a “German #4” with heavy bases leading into a fine centre cross hair, with a second focal plane. Thought I’d like a fine centre red dot for my next scope as I chase deer and round here it’s usually dusk when they emerge. But on reflection, it’s never stopped me taking a shot yet, and means complications to go wrong at the worst moment. Like that new Burris Eliminator 6 - seems perfect in theory & probably is incredible to use while it’s new, but $4,000 will get me some nice Kahles, Swaro & Leica glass.
ReplyDeleteYes! I’ve seen a few of those round here and the guys love them. I always opt for straight cross hairs myself… although my last Trijicon was a mildot… and I haven’t made up my mind on it yet. I’ve always kept my shots close in the game field…
DeleteA 7.5 inch 223?!? Ok, you are retarded, unless you sold or rebarreled it. Well...maybe your kink just goes that way. Deafness and 4 ft. diameter fire balls are just not MY thing. AHHOOOMMM, tolerance for ballisticly divergent vibrancey.
ReplyDeleteThere are instructions for that reticle.
I'm sure you'll be fine.
SMH.
Agreed.
DeleteI bought my little chopper on impulse. All my life the best qualities of a rifle (for me) are shortness and accuracy. I found the best compromise in the Ruger No.1, 25-06, factory varmint profile barrel. All my life I wanted something shorter and more accurate and figured I’d dabble with the PDW concept. I knew I’d never get the accuracy… but I wanted to see how close I could get to the perfect rifle with the PDW concept. It was kind of an obsession, I guess?
I pulled out the stops and went all in. I bought a variety of bullets and powders. I put a 5x25 Trijicon on it, and bagged up on the bench and shot everything over the chronograph. Velocity was downright dismal with all loads, and the best accuracy I could wring out of it was 4-6” at 200m.
It was a fun little experiment and when I was done I gave it to Flapz to play with. And recently he gave it back again! It’s just a range toy for me. But if I was jumping out of helicopters, kicking doors down and in the brown stuff doing real CQB stuff… the little chopper would be just the ticket. The muzzle blast off it is intimidating on both ends…
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My 10.5 inch pencil barrel unit will get 2 moa at 160 yards, my longest back yard range, with a 3x9 scope and a shaky bench rest. I only tested 2 loads, Hornady 55gr Barrier Blind 223 and Brazilian M193 ball, 5.56. The 5.56 was only a little looser than the Hornady. It's regular configuration has an inexpensive Sig red dot. According to the ballistic charts, M193 has enough velocity to yaw and fragment out to about 85 yards with a 10.5". A quality ballistic tip round will perform well out to at least 150 yards. Going to 11.5 or 12.5 brings surprising improvement to velocity.
DeleteThat 10.5 with A2 flash suppressor works surprisingly well at night. Maybe Tennessee has surprisingly good suppressor air?
I share your appreciation for compact units. The 18" 308, pencil barrel Ruger American is so handy. A 16" 308 AR is pretty handy too. Shot my nephews, does a good job of taming recoil. Velocity loss is only 50 to 150 fps depending on load, compared to a 22" barrel.
I blame the "precision rifle" gotta have the latest, greatest, most expensive everything crowd. I stick with standard mil dot scopes. Simple, and effective. They are getting tough to find in useable magnifications. Tract Toric makes a nice mil dot Ive read. When i did precision rifle, I used an old savage 110 long action in .308 with a 24" sst fluted barrel, headspaced on 168g federal match ammo with a $200 used leupold 4.5x14x40mm scope, on a choate Maj Plaster $200 stock, all painted horrifically in a homemade camo job. All in all about $800 bucks in it. It could shoot 1/4 moa, probably better, that was my best group@100yards. It would piss these gun snobs off all the time when i brought "frankenstein" to the line, and out shoot, $5-6000 rifles. I agree you get what you pay for usually, but many times quality budget items and equipment can be had.
ReplyDeleteI see no utility in a scope I need 100 page manual and 100s of hours of practice to master when basic mil dot and training work just fine. I guess im old now.